When I was a freshman in college, I bought a CD of Christmas songs by the Rat Pack. The actual CD is now somewhere in storage, but the songs are safely stored in my iTunes, and the collection remains one of my favorite sources of Christmas music (although for me, not all of the songs immediately brought to mind Christmas-friendly topics. The mob movie nerd in me heard some sort of faintly sinister undertone in Dean Martin’s “Peace on Earth/Silent Night” medley, and I imagined that if I were to ever make my own mob movie, I would use it as the ironic backdrop for some sort of scene of horrible massacre a lá The Godfather. What can I say, there’s a Michael Scott and a Threat Level Midnight in all of us).
For me, one of the most-loved songs on that CD remains “Christmas Time All Over the World,” by Sammy Davis, Jr. (although if Mr. Davis were alive today, I would write him a letter and ask him to change one of the lyrics; no language is strange, sir!). I loved that song long before I ever imagined I would be anything other than Catholic, and even longer before I ever imagined that my first Christmas away from home would be spent in a country where there is zero public celebration of the holiday–in fact, public celebrations of the holiday are generally illegal.
I admit, I’ve been a little conflicted about sticking to my celebration of Christmas as a Muslim…and one who lives in Saudi Arabia, no less. Yesterday, my Facebook and Twitter feeds were full of posts like, “I’m Muslim, so I don’t celebrate Christmas…” Whereas I was busily preparing a Christmas dinner while A Christmas Story played on repeat. The stockings were full because Santa arrived in Riyadh right on schedule, and even ate the cookies and milk we left out. (We also left out some Goldfish pretzels for the reindeer.)
When Saleh got home from work, we ate dinner and opened presents and stockings. The timing was a little off for us (opening presents in the evening on Christmas instead of in the morning), but it was okay. Being in Saudi Arabia, we had to adjust. Although it was tough for Andy, because Santa left a carrot, an apple, and a small bag of potato chips in his stocking, and he knew, and it drove him crazy. He spent most of the day hanging around the stockings.
I don’t intend to ever give up my celebration of Christmas. I want my kids to watch How the Grinch Stole Christmas (the cartoon version), Elf, Home Alone. I want them to help me make cookies on Christmas Eve, and then be so excited about Santa coming that sleep is all but impossible. I want them to have that sense of excitement and joy on Christmas morning that I had as a little kid.
I think Saleh gets this. A few days before Christmas, I thanked him for letting me celebrate the holiday here in Saudi Arabia. I know it’s not easy to pull off here. We managed to ship our lovely fake Christmas tree, bought years ago for $20 at Walgreens, with my belongings earlier this year. We didn’t really expect it to make it, but it did. On the other hand, a Western friend of mine, who is also Muslim but also continues to celebrate the Christmas season because, like me, it’s how she was raised and it’s a part of her culture, managed to procure a fake Christmas tree of her own this year here in Riyadh…on the black market, naturally. She described the experience as “like buying cocaine or something.”
Anyway, when I thanked Saleh, he said, “You’re welcome, sweetie.” Pause. “The way I see it, it’s your childhood. And I would never want to take that away from you.”
Still, although having Christmas in our house is a given, I admit, again, that this year, perhaps because this was our last Christmas as non-parents, I felt conflicted about it. I wondered what we would tell our kids. Would we explain that well, this is actually, technically, a Christian holiday, and we mostly don’t believe in what it really represents because we’re Muslims, but we do it because Mommy used to do it when she was a kid? Doesn’t that sound kind of…insincere? Cheap? Wrong? Like we’re piggybacking on other people’s holidays so we can get presents and candy and watch good movies?
Then I read this, and it laid out so perfectly the argument that I had forming my head, but couldn’t really articulate. We’ll do Christmas in our house because Mommy is American, and that’s all there is to it. It’s something we do in the wintertime, something we do to teach and learn about love, generosity, kindness, miracles. We don’t have to bring Jesus into it. It’s easy to do Christmas nowadays without any mention of Jesus. For families who want that aspect to be a part of their festivities, I salute that and wish them the best. But for families like ours who don’t…well, we can have Christmas, too.
Christmas is for everyone.
I mean, think about it. The custom of putting up a tree and decorating it comes from an ancient Euro-Pagan tradition. We don’t recognize that anymore. The date that we celebrate Christmas comes from the Roman tradition of celebrating the Winter Solstice. Heck, even Santa Claus derives from the old Dutch tradition of Sinterklaas, which some have argued also has Euro-Pagan origins in the form of the ancient Germanic god, Odin.
Despite all this, I’ve never heard anyone insist that you have to be Euro-Pagan to put up a tree in your house in December. You don’t have to worship Odin to leave out cookies and milk and expect your stocking to be filled on Christmas morning.
For many Muslims who move to Saudi Arabia from all over the world, the lack of public celebration of Christmas (and other Western holidays) is a refreshing relief. I am not one of those Muslims. I’m Muslim, but I’m also American, and thus Christmas is a part of my cultural DNA. Christmas has never been an overtly religious holiday in my family (I mean, every year my brother and I get scratch-off lottery tickets in our stockings). However, it has historically been the one day a year when we all give and get presents while trying really hard not to get on each other’s nerves. And for me, that’s something worth celebrating. And I’m not convinced that God would want me to give that up just because I don’t actually believe that his son was born on that day. Christmas is a cultural event; I know atheists who wouldn’t dream of not having a tree. Lots of American Jews do the Christmas thing, as well. And, as it turns out, lots of American Muslims do, too.
And I guess I’m one of ‘em.
I’m a fan of Sex & the City (the show, not the movies), but one of the things that irked me most about it was the story arc of Charlotte’s conversion to Judaism so she could marry Harry. What bothered me about it was how the writers focused so little (actually, not at all) on Charlotte’s beliefs about the actual theology of her new religion. Never mind the fact that they made converting to a new religion purely a matter of “I did it so I could marry my husband”–beyond that, they focused on religion as solely an expression of culture; the most difficult step that Charlotte had to make as a Jew was giving up Christmas. Her rabbi tells her that she must give up all of her Christmas traditions; that day, Harry comes home to find her decorating her “last” Christmas tree (it’s June). He hugs her and tells her, “Keep the tree–lots of Jews do.” She shakes her head and says, “No, it wouldn’t be appropriate.”
I don’t understand that. For me, it’s a lot more important that I understand what I believe about God than how I express my culture. Having a tree doesn’t make me a bad Muslim any more than having a tree makes someone else a good Christian. Having a tree in my house in December says nothing about my relationship with God.
But that’s just me.
And because that’s just me, my husband and I are two Muslims who had Christmas in our little apartment in Riyadh. Privately, of course. I respect the religious aspect that the holiday holds for so many Christians around the world, but for me, that’s not what the holiday represents. It’s comfort, it’s family, it’s home. And again, for me, those are things worth celebrating. I can’t imagine not having a tree, stockings, my mom’s recipe for cranberry tea, Elvis and Hanson and ‘N Sync and Rat Pack Christmas songs. Being away from my family and friends on that day was so incredibly difficult. It was the first time in 29 years. This was the first Christmas season when “I’ll Be Home For Christmas” brought me to tears every time. I spent the day vacillating between joy and gratitude for everything (for being alive, for my family, for my husband, for my wonderful in-laws, for it being Christmas, for the tree, for the stockings, for the presents, for the food, etc.) and feeling deeply depressed because my parents, my brother and his wife, my nephew, my friends, weren’t there to share it with us.
Although Saleh doesn’t get the same magical sense of nostalgia that I do at Christmas, he enjoys the holiday, too. He spent his first Christmas in the States with my family. I think he was suspicious at first, but it was pretty obvious that for us, it was just a time of family, fun, presents, and food. And once he realized he got to give and receive presents and no one was going to try to convert him, he was hooked. Every year, he writes a letter to Santa (here’s last year’s, when we were apart on Christmas). Every year, as I already mentioned, we watch A Christmas Story over and over again on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Every year, we bake chocolate-chip cookies for Santa on Christmas Eve. Every year, we do things that so many Americans do just because to not do them would leave me feeling like there’s an empty hole in my year.
So on Thanksgiving, we decorated our Christmas tree.
We strung the tree with lights I brought from the States, but within a few hours, they were all burned out. That’s when we realized that we hadn’t considered that our Christmas lights were 120 volt, while our electric outlets are 220.
So we scouted out some new lights at China Mart. They’re not exactly the same colors, and obviously they weren’t intended to go on a Christmas tree, but they did very well. They chase, they blink, they stay solid, depending on how we set them. They’re pretty spiffy little lights.
Remarkably enough, some of my Christmas decorations this year were sourced right here in Riyadh. I found some adorable ornaments at the Souq al Zel.
The ball in the top photo is a Souq al Zel find, as is the white bell in the second photo.
In this photo, the red ball on the left is from the Souq al Zel, while the Hello Kitty egg-like ornament on the right is one of a set of three that I stumbled upon in a toy store here in Riyadh with my mother-in-law, about three months before Christmas. (Me: “Oh, these are so cute! But they’re expensive.” My mother-in-law: “I will buy them for you. You need them for your tree!”) Each little Hello Kitty egg has a small toy inside it: a Hello Kitty figurine wearing a Santa hat. I figured that either the staff didn’t know what they were, or they didn’t care, since it wasn’t actually Christmas time. But I’m sure that if I had gone back to that toy store this month, they would have been gone.
(Here in Riyadh, you’ll find random things that go with Western holidays occasionally, although generally not at a time that corresponds with the actual holiday. The muttawa (religious police) make sure of that. For example, in July, this display was set up next to one of the checkout lines at Tamimi:
There was nothing like this in Tamimi this month, when it might have made sense to buy it. Also, this summer, Saleh and I stumbled upon some Valentine’s Day candles at an abou riyalin. We bought some and stored them for February, when, from what I’ve heard, we’ll be hard pressed to even find anything in the color red.)
I also made this really cool find at the Souq al Zel.
It’s a vintage hand-stitched Baba Noel (Father Christmas). I think it was originally meant to be some sort of advent calendar, as the gold rings around the sides would number 25 if none of them were missing. (Perhaps antique? Not really sure, but I know it’s old by the fabric texture, and some of the stitches have come out). I bought it from a vendor who was happy to get rid of it; he said that he liked it a lot, but the muttawa were always bothering him about it. I just thought it was cool. Maybe in the future I will replace the missing rings and put a candy cane in each one to count down the days until Christmas.
All-in-all, it was a good day.
Dinner consisted of baked steak, twice-baked potatoes (there are two different dishes of those here; one is without green onions, because Saleh doesn’t like green onions, but I love them), biscuits, brown sugar sweet potatoes, creamed corn, broccoli cheese bake (which I tracked down a recipe for and whipped up at the last minute because I was concerned that the rest of the dinner was so starchy), and cherry pie. Oh, and we each had a bottle of Pepsi. Just to give the meal that extra edge of American indulgence.
Santa brought me some really great presents, but the one I was most excited about was the foot bath. (Although I was also pretty thrilled by the Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups. And the Nerds.) Yes, I’m lame. Or old. Or just pregnant. Or all three. But whatever. I got a little too excited about it, and it was the perfect ending to a day mostly spent on my feet, stirring and kneading and baking and slicing and peeling (okay, and dancing around the house a little bit to Christmas songs). But it was worth every second.
Whether you celebrated Christmas or not, I hope everyone had a lovely December 25, and I hope that 2013 brings us all happiness, joy, peace, and understanding.
Assalam Alaykoum, I understand your feeling and you’re scared to give up your culture. Look, if you’re Muslim you might have learn about it’s your right to keep “halal” things of your culture , but the “haram” things it’s your responsability in front of your God to avoid it. But , anyways I’m not here to judge you, because only God knows what you have in your heart ! Muslims does like Christmas parties, but for Eid . There are two Eids, Eid Al Adha and Eid Al Fitr….On the two Eids, Muslims buy presents for their kids, they decorate their houses, they cook special dishes, they’re baking cakes ….etc….Just like Christian does for Christmas. I think now your husband and family-in-laws doesn’t want to hurt you or to make you feeling bad , angry….Because you’re pregnant and you’re still newbie in Saudi Arabia. So, they do not want to scared you in this period of your life. But, really next couple years your children gonna have problems at school if they speak about Santa Claus with their classmates. Maybe to avoid problem, you should send your future children to the American School in a campound for American people. Because, believe me your future children gonna problems in a Saudi school if they are speaking about Christmas, Santa Claus….etc…..You know why ? Because people will think your children are not Muslims, your children are Saudi Christian . In accordance with the Saudi laws : 1- SAUDI CITIZEN CANNOT PRACTICE ANOTHER RELIGION , A SAUDI CITIZEN MUST BE MUSLIM
Wishing you good life !
thanks for your reply, cindy. yes, it is my responsibility to keep the haram away from my child, but haram and halal are quite open to interpretation (it’s not as black and white as some would have us think). i know all about the two eids, thanks; in fact, this year was the fifth time my husband and i celebrated them together. this was also the fifth time my husband and i celebrated christmas together, so i think we’ve got our family celebrations pretty well established, even though we haven’t been married that long.
i hope you’re wrong about my husband and my in-laws “just being nice” to me right now; believe it or not, my husband and i have had thorough discussions about holiday celebrations and other issues, including which schools we may send our children to, long before we moved to saudi arabia. since he is saudi, he knows very well that our children “will have problems” in a saudi school if they talk about christmas and santa claus. but that’s a problem with saudi arabia, not with our family. so, as much as i dislike having to do it, we will teach our children that santa claus and such things are topics that stay in our house, unless we are in the states. it’s one of the downsides of being a bicultural family. but it’s okay, because my children won’t be only saudi; they will be saudi-american. and inshallah, they will learn to play by the rules of both cultures.
Its a hard call for me I have a son who is 5 now so have to think harder about what my actions do. I am American and my husband Saudi (we live in Riyadh). My son knows about our American holidays bc I think its important for him to know both of his cultures. However I have taught him that were Muslim so we only celebrate Eid. My family does send him gifts, we watch and read xmas stories, etc though. I try to let him be part of that without really doing it inshAllah I am right.. (many people think its crazy I even allow him the gifts, etc I think thats nuts)
i totally understand, noor; it is a very difficult call to make, and i’m not even a parent just yet!
we have to do what’s best for our families…i’m sure your son is thrilled that you allow him to receive presents!
Fascinating blog you have here, been reading a dozen of your entries and you seem very level headed. I might become a regular here.
I’m Saudi-American and love both my nations for all their greatness and and shortcomings. I was born in Houston but spent most of my life in Saudi.
I’m in some sort of cultural identity crisis, considering neither Saudis consider me fully Saudi and the same applies with Americans. But I like it.
Welcome to the land of sand.
thanks for stopping by, thamir! i’m glad to know that you managed to grow up saudi-american and love both your countries. i hope that my own children grow up to feel the same way.
you’ve confirmed what i always said would probably be the case for my kids: that americans will always think of them as saudi and saudis will always think of them as american. but i’m thrilled to know that not only are you surviving that identity crisis, you’re actually enjoying it! i can only hope my kids will be so lucky.
thank you for reading!
Yep. I’m either a wahabi terrorist to americans or a westernized liberal infidel to saudis. Both crack me up.
Nationalities tend to be geographic accidents and I’m growing in appreciating common humanity.
I’m not going to worry about your kids, grew up with and seen way too many do just fine.
So, it’s okay to wear a cross while not believing Jesus was crucified and died on it? It’s fine to drink wine, because it’s really grapes?
Nicole, honey, the halaal and haraam are clear. Make no mistake. Please take the time and read the Qur’aan in your language.
Many Muslims (especially Western) fall prey to cultural interpretations of Islam. We think becoming Muslim is something other than being, let’s say, American. Being Muslim IS different from being a Christain, Jew, Hindu, etc. We stand out. We Americans don’t want to stand out in a negative light. So when we accept Islam, we know it to be the true path, but we struggle with being extremely different. Having Islam as a way of life, makes us appear extremely different and it’s a struggle for many of us.
Christmas (celebrated also by non-Americans)
Christmas is celebrated by people in other countries. Those countries where it’is apart of the culture, you find that at some point in history that land was occupied by Christians.
The Coptic Christains of Egypt celebrate Christmas on January 7, so are you also going to celebrate Christmas then? Probably not.
Like yourself, I too am a revert. I celebrated Christmas as a child and part of my adult life, even after accepting Islam.
After seeking to draw closer to Allaah, I was guided to understand why Christmas is not something to participate in, in any shape form or fashion.
I ask myself, why bother saying anything to Muslims like yourself (no offence)? They’ve already made up their minds. They’re being encouraged and supported by other liked minded individuals. It’s just a waste of time. They’ll only see you as an extremist, anyway, or as someone trying to impose their INTERPRETATION of Islam on them. *sigh* Allaahu Mus’taan
Since you don’t want to follow anybody’s interpretation, pray, pray and ask Allaah to guide you to the true understanding of what is pleasing to Him and Him alone. Ask Allaah to grant you the ability to discern that which is truth from that which is false and to place you with the good people who will help you better worship Him.
Sweet heart, we are in the days of the true scholars dying and the people are being lead by the ignorant. Muslims are taking cues from other Muslims that they share the same desires with (i.e. celebrating non-Islamic holidays, having dogs, not wearing legislated hijaab, etc.). Allaah save us, ameen.
When search for the truth, you’ll find it. When you seek to fulfill your desires, you’ll find that also. Allaah gave us the restrictions and told us why, but He (in His infinite Wisdom) gave us the will to choose.
The angels knew what we were going to do when Allaah told them He was going to create us (a Khalifah). [2:30]
You sound like you really want what you think is best for you and your family and may Allaah guide you all to what is correct, according to His interpretation and not anyone elses, ameen.
Take care and wish you well.
i never said anything about wearing crosses or drinking wine, and i wouldn’t judge anyone else for the choices they make regarding those things. it’s none of my business, and it’s between them and their god.
secondly, the halal and the haram are clear only depending on which scholars you choose to follow, which is where personal interpretation comes in. i am always amused when other muslims lecture me on the danger of “personal interpretation” when that’s exactly what every muslim (in fact, every person) must do, whether they use it to follow “true scholars” or whatever: find their truth.
how do you know that i haven’t already prayed and asked allah to guide me to a true understanding of what is pleasing to him?
how do you know that i haven’t already been placed with good people who will help me better worship him? if i hadn’t met my husband, i probably never would have converted to islam; not because he made me, but because until i met him, i had never really given the religion much discussion, thought, or study. if god wanted me to become a different kind of muslim, wouldn’t he have put someone else in my path to lead me to the one dogless, santa-free “truth”?
and by the way, i have read the qur’an in my own language. twice. (why do some commenters here seem to run on the assumption that i have no basic knowledge of the deen that i’ve chosen to adopt as my own?) the qur’an says nothing about dogs being haram, or even about them being najis. however, the story of the cave dwellers included a dog who accompanied them, and they were, according to the qur’an, “good believers” guided by god. so i’m not sure how “the halal and haram are clear” there.
you also sound like you really want what is best for you and your family, and i wish you the best in seeking it. as for me, although i certainly still have a long way to go, i feel confident that allah is guiding me in my journey, although i am not so presumptuous as to suggest that you should be on the exact same path. i hope that you feel the same conviction (at least the first part).
Assalaamu alaikum Nicole,
Sorry for getting you all fired up. The cross/wine thing was a make sense of Muslims celebrating Christmas without bringing Jesus into it. The whole concept of Christmas is based on Christ. I don’t want to take up time to getting into historics (Pagan vs. Christian).
Muslims are taught by Prophet Muhammad (prayers/peace be upon him) to be generous, kind, loving, caring, giving, etc.) and no celebration is requires or needed.
I’m confused when you say, “which scholars you chose to follow, which is where personal interpretation comes in.” Whose personal intrepretation (the scholar or the individual)? Which scholar (you follow) has interpreted something that Muslims think/thought is haraam, but based on that scholars interpretation, it’s halaal? Please give one example, with that (your) scholars proof.
How do I know if you haven’t already asked Allaah to guide you, I don’t, nor did I assume you didn’t. It was a reminder. Allaah constantly reminds the Believer (90+ times) in the Qur’aan (O, You Believers…..). So when you read that ayat time after time in the Qur’aan, do you become annoyed?
No I’m not Allaah. Please don’t go there. :/
The use of the youth in the cave having a dog, doesn’t make it permissible. Like you said, the Qur’aan doesn’t say having a dog is haraam, but Allaah also doesn’t specify how many rakah to complete the Fajr, Thuhur, Asr, Maghrib or Isha prayer. So whose interpretation are you following when you pray? Allaah does say, whatever His Messenger gives us we should take it and whatever he forbids us, we should leave. There are ahadith that speak on the Peophet’s attitude towards dogs and the affects of having them as pets, etc. Well, I guess that’s up to whomever’s interpretation you follow.
I ask, are we getting the understanding of the Sunnah so wrong? If so, why and how? When did the scholars begin to get the understanding of the Sunnah wrong? Did they ever have the correct understanding?
Do we as Muslims only take the Qur’aan and a certain scholars interpretation of it and leave the Sunnah? If so, which scholars interpretation?
The youth in the cave was a story revealed to the Prophet as a proof of his prophethood to the Jews, not to make having a dog in one’s home permissible. Allaah says not to debate about it nor ask the Jews and Christians (18:22). Ooops, again, that depends on one’s interpretation.
Another thought, Muhammad wasn’t the prophet during the time of the youth in the cave. So what may have applied to them (youth in the cave) may not necessarily apply to the Ummah of Muhammad. Remember, he is the last and final Messenger. His message (Qur’aan/Sunnah) is the last and final message. O, but that depends on who’s interpretation you follow.
Lakum Deenukum wali yadeen.
Yah dekumuAllaah baalakum
walaikum assalam. i’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that the majority of christians who consume wine do not do so out of religious observance, lol…
it’s pretty clear: scholars disagree on what is halal/haram quite frequently (as well as on what is sunnah; different schools regard different procedures for prayer as correct), so you have to read, learn, and decide what you will follow based on what you feel is right for you.
of course i don’t become annoyed when allah reminds me of something. but as you pointed out yourself, you’re not allah. you went there, not me.
it’s pretty easy to find evidence that many of the hadith that discuss dogs are fabricated, or at the very least have a very weak chain of narration. in my previous post, i linked to an article by dr. ingrid mattson, former president of the islamic society of north america, regarding the permissibility of dogs. you can read that if you want.
you are personally interpreting the qur’anic story of the youth in the cave to fit your interpretation of what is sunnah, just as i am.
you hit the nail on the head (or rather, allah did): to you your way, and to me, mine.
Assalaamu alaikum Sister Nicole,
Whoever imitates a people is one of them. Christmas is a non Muslim holiday. It orginated from non Muslims. It has no bases as a celebration in Islam.
Action (deeds) are rewarded or punished based on intentions. [Sahih Bukhari]. You voicing your definite intention to celebrate Christmas along with your future children is a bold statement. I pray that you give it more thought.
May Allaah guide you to His purpose, ameen.
i am not imitating anything; i am american, and i therefore keep traditions that the vast majority of americans, including non-christians, have. if that makes me, in your view, one of the “kaafirun,” then so be it. as we have already established definitively, you are not allah, so i am not worried. and as you mentioned, intention is important, and only allah knows the depth and breadth of mine. so, again, i am not worried. thank you for your prayers, and i pray the same for you.
Assalamu Aleykum my dear sister in Islam,
I am a reader of your blog, I have been reading it from time to time, however I never felt a need to leave a comment. Now I have decided to do so as I believe that as your sister in deen I should advise you after this last blog post which you wrote. I myself am an European revert to Islam, so I understand your feelings and nostalgia for the Christmas celebration. It was always my favorite celebration too that did not carry any religious meanings, I just loved the spirit of Christmas. When I reverted to Islam I learnt that one of the most important things for a muslim is to grow stronger in religion, strenghten Iman, follow the right path and try to be as close to our Prophet (SAW) as possible by our acts and lifestyle. Even the name of CHRISTmas tells that it is for CHRISTians. Even if it has no religious meaning, we should restrain from it. And this is not my personal opinion (in fact, in Islam we should not trust ourselves because we have guidelines from Prophet (SAW) and Holy Quran and it is so dangerous to trust your personal opinion as it may lead us astray, God forbid). If we cannot find answers there, we should refer to Ulema and look for fatwas which were given by TRUSTED sheikhs,who analyzed religion and dedicated their lives for Islam. We are not scholars to trust our opinions, because shaytan can always whisper to us and may lead us astray.
Please take a look:
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=142147
here:
http://islamqa.info/en/cat/2021#312
and here:
http://islamqa.info/en/cat/2021#3019
Of course, if looked up you could probably find fatwas which say it is fine to have such celebrations, but as mentioned above, do not trust just any source of information. There is no reason we should have those celebrations, even if it is planted in our blood. Don’t we, as muslims, have better celebrations? What about the holy month of Ramadan, Eid Al Adha, El Al Fitr. We can produce best atmosphere during those celebrations and at the same time be on the right path without any worries or confusions leading to sins, because for everything we do we will be rewarded or punished on the judgement day. So it is important to make correct decisions. No one says that you are a bad muslim or that you are less than others, God forbid. But we always have to try looking for the best and how you can say to your kids that you will celebrate Christmas because mommy is American and it is her culture. Why to confuse kids? We should try to make our kids love religion with their all hearts and let them be proud of what they are, follow what is ACCEPTED and what came from Islam. Don’t you see around yourself how much cultural Islam is evil. I am sure you do because you live in Saudi Arabia (as me living in one of the Gulft countries) so it is evident how muslims are losing their identities when trying to copy Western society. Where will it lead us? And finally, before doing any act, let’s try to think how would Prophet (SAW), the most righteous one, behave in such a situation. Do you imagine him telling his wives to make Christmas food, listen to the Christmas songs and exchange gifts, trying to persuade himself that the celebration has no religious message (while Christians do celebrate it) and he would be doing this because he was used to? And otherwise, would he be happy seeing us, muslims, doing things which are clearly not from Sunnah and are prohibited by the majority of Sheikhs?
I swear I am just trying to advise you, and Allah knows the best, may Allah guide us all.
With love and blessings-
Your sister in Islam.
thank you for your advice. a few things regarding your comment: one, although i’m sure it has some information that is based in logic and credible sources, and although information from the site is widely disseminated by people seeking to share certain daleel on islamic topics, i can’t take much from the islamqa website seriously, since it has a couple of lengthy articles on fgm (female circumcision) and how it is supposedly sunnah. two, i live in saudi arabia, and i am growing to love this country as one of my own, but i don’t see around me how much “cultural islam” (whatever that may be) is evil…and if i do see evil in “cultural islam,” it has nothing to do with santa claus. saudi arabia has a plethora of problems on its own, problems that have absolutely nothing to do with imitation of western society.
kids are smart, and since mine will not be cut off from their american family members, they will be exposed to christianity. their lives are going to be confusing even in the unlikely event that my husband and i chose to forego all recognition of the christmas holiday. they will likely hear a lot of things in school that i don’t want them to believe. this is why i intend to talk to my children, to answer their questions, and to help them make sense of everything that is going on around them. out of all the conflicting messages they will receive from their two cultures, them being confused about our christmas tree is honestly the least of my worries.
finally, i have to point out the logical disconnect that i’ve alluded to already in this little debate, one that so often presents itself in discussions such as these. you mention that it is “dangerous to trust your personal opinion,” and yet in the next sentence you mention that we should only follow “TRUSTED” sheikhs, “who analyzed religion and dedicated their lives to islam.” you had to use your personal opinion to decide whom to trust. and yet, when someone comes up with a different idea about that issue, suddenly personal opinion is bad and must be avoided, when you had to use your personal opinion to reach your own conclusion. what if two sheikhs, both of whom have spent their lives analyzing religion and have dedicated their lives to islam, produce fatwas espousing completely opposite opinions on the issue? what do you do then? you research, you think, you pray, and you use your own god-given judgment to decide what’s best for you and your family. i can’t get behind the idea that we should never use our own judgment in matters of religion because we are vulnerable to the shaytaan. that’s basically an argument that god made an error in our creation; he gave us vestigial intellectual ability and it just causes us problems if we use it because shaytaan can influence it.
again, i thank you for your advice. i wish you and your family the best.
Interesting little debate happening there? just out of curiousity i asked Lylah at blue abaya the same thing..What would you tell your child if they were born and a little older to understand? Cant really say its an Eid celebration; Clearly not from islam; yet how do you go about describing a tree without going into the actual entire holiday of believing its a symbol of new life from the event of jesus being born on the same day? What does the tree symbolise to you? and does that symbol as a whole represent what you are trying to portray which is american culture.
Thanks for sharing yours
Just some thoughts
to me, the tree symbolizes home, comfort, family, happiness, excitement, warmth, love. it does not symbolize jesus (i mean, we even have a snowman at the top of our tree, not a star), but it does symbolize, to me, many things i want my kids to know and feel. the tree itself symbolizes a connection to american culture. when my children are older, or when they ask, of course i will be happy to sit down with them and discuss the religious significance that the day holds for many people around the world. they will be exposed to their american family members throughout their lives, some of whom are devoutly christian, so we will talk about the differences between our traditions and theirs (no jesus ornaments on our tree, no nativity scene set up in our house, no going to church–or masjid–for us on christmas or christmas eve), and about how for us, christmastime is just a fun time, not a religious observance, like our eids and ramadan are. i don’t intend to attempt to hide the religious significance of the holiday from my children; that’s just asking for trouble. but as i said in my response to the previous commenter, kids are smart…a lot smarter than we give them credit for. and by keeping the lines of communication open at all times, i think that we stand a good chance of making clear that there can be a clear difference between religion and culture. that’s a lesson they need to learn no matter which continent they’re on!
Sister Nicole,
I am a avid reader of your blog and I truly admire your positiveness of Saudi Arabia. Secondly, I commend you for replying in detail to each of the previous posts that posed challenges to your point of view. I respect your opinions and appreciate the time you have taken to very clearly write down your thoughts. It shows that you are careful in your decision making.
Two questions that I would like to hear your opinion on:
1) If the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) was alive today, do you think he would have a Christmas tree at his house? Would he spend the day giving presents to his wives, children and loved ones?
2) Lets fast-forward 5 years into the future. Say you, your wonderful husband (you have an amazing guy, Masha’Allah!!) and future children happened to visit Makkah over the period 23-28 December 2017, to visit the holy Masjid there. You lived in a small apartment or hotel near the Kaaba. If it could be easily arranged and allowed by hotel staff to bring a Christmas tree and lights into your room, would you choose to do this?
Noon
thank you for your comment and for your kind words, noon. i will do my best to respond to your two questions.
1. i don’t presume to know what prophet muhammad would have done in this situation, and i think it’s dangerous to do so. i think such presumption has a lot to do with how we have ended up with scores of weak hadith, hadith that directly contradict one another and hadith that contradict the qur’an. so i will steer clear of that. i will say, though, that comparing my situation to prophet muhammad’s seems a bit apples and oranges to me; he was not raised in a culture different from the one in which he eventually settled. while i’m sure he would have kept the two eids as a religious observance (as my husband and i do whether we are in the states or anywhere else), i don’t think we can presume to know what cultural norms he would have chosen to keep in his home had he been born and raised in saudi arabia but ended up settling down in, say, france. since we celebrate christmas as a cultural norm rather than as a matter of religious observance, i don’t think we can really know what prophet muhammad would have done, but i can say with certainty that there are different opinions about that.
and every holder of those opinions has to do what they feel is right for their families.
2. if my husband and children and i were visiting makkah during the holiday season and it were easy to get a tree and lights set up in our room (which i can’t imagine that it would be, since makkah is a muslim-only zone, and i would speculate that the number of muslims who set up trees in their homes in december is a significant minority, and the number of people who do so in saudi arabia is obviously miniscule. the only reason we do is because it is a part of my culture, and i would never suggest that other muslims need to follow suit. if my husband hadn’t married an american, i know that december 25 would be just another day at work for him, and that is, of course, perfectly fine), i would see no problem with having such decorations present. as i’ve already mentioned, we would view those things as symbols of culture, not religion; it would be like having a saudi flag hanging up in the room on the saudi national day. or like having a new york yankees hat sitting on the nightstand. just representations of culture. furthermore, if we were in makkah over the holiday season, obviously we value our religion deeply, or we wouldn’t have scheduled the visit knowing that it would interfere with a cherished cultural observance. however, we would be away from my family at that time, and away from our home in which we could have the holiday traditions that we normally do, so it would be nice (and, in my view, harmless) to have those decorations as a small connection to home and the yearly secular traditions we would otherwise observe.
Sister Nicole,
Thank you very much for your prompt and detailed feedback. You are a star! I appreciate and respect your opinion.
Noon
Quite the debate here!
Just wanted to add, I knew a British woman revert married to a Saudi husband and the family celebrated Muslim holidays plus Christmas.
It didn’t make sense to me back then but the kids told me they did not mind the presents. It was made clear to me it was a HOLI day, not a HOLY day.
In as much as birthdays are a HOLI day, thanks giving a HOLI day!
This topic creates quite the division and nothing fruitful ever comes out of it!
It always gets all competitive and pseudo-scholarly.
So I’ll leave it at that.
well said, thamir.
Given the relation between religion and most culture most traditions in any culture will have some religious background. A good example is yoga. Yes it come from the Hindu religion but most people in the US who practice yoga aren’t doing for religious reasons. Christmas is both a secular holiday and a Christian holyday. How someone celebrates it is their choice. My family and I celebrate it purely as secular holiday. It would be impossible to understand US culture if you don’t understand the Christmas (including the fact the Puritans opposed Christmas celebrations because they were not religious). If you have happily remembering your life and family in the US, then go on and celebrate it, unless fun in forbidden by Islam.
the yoga thing is a really good example; I know a few conservative evangelical christians who won’t do yoga on the basis that it has religious origins. i haven’t searched for fatwas on yoga, but i’m sure there are muslims that won’t do yoga for the same reasons. i like yoga, though…although the last time i did it, i ended up kicking over a lamp in my living room, lol! thanks for your comment!
In the Quran it says “we hear and we obey”. Are you hearing and are you obeying?
People are just trying to give you naseeha and evidences celebrating Christmas is haraam but you are obviously just making excuses. No one is judging you saying you are going to hell. But as Muslims we have an obligation to advise each other in matters. That is not judging.
As you said, if it wasnt for your husband you wouldn’t be Muslim so maybe your heart isn’t really in it and that is why you make excuses to justify the life you miss? Christmas is a Christian holiday with also some pagan additions (decorating of the tree). That is fact. Its not an “American holiday”. Maybe it might seem like it because it has been extremely commercialized for profit but the fact remains.
And you can choose to ignore scholars but this is also wrong. Scholars and sheikhs are an important part of Islam and play a vital role. You cannot write off great scholars as opinion and basically bullshit because it doesn’t suit how YOU want to live your life. Islam is set and there is clear haraam and halal. Hear and obey, or keep making excuses. The choice is yours.
thank you for your comment, fatima. a few things popped into my mind as i read it:
1. the reminder to “hear and obey” at the beginning of a lengthy comment is somewhat moot, as i have no obligation to hear or obey you.
2. i never said that i converted to please my husband. i consider religion a very important thing, as i thought my post made clear–i would never have changed religions if my “heart wasn’t really in it.”
3. i also never said that scholars are not an important part of islam. neither did i, in your words, “write off great scholars as opinion and basically bullshit.”
4. i am glad that your islam is set and there is a clear haram and halal for you. that must be nice. however, i would never presume to say that my religious path is set. perhaps you have chosen to believe that islam is completely set according to a certain set of scholars’ and sheikhs opinions; i wish you the best in your path, and good luck with hearing and obeying what you have chosen to believe is correct.
5. you seem to have a lot of anger, fatima; the other commenters ranged from polite to condescending, but never needed profanity to make their points, which i respect, even if i disagree with some of them. i can’t say the same for yours. i think it says a lot about your points that you needed to be so abrasive in your expression of them. what do you care if i “hear and obey” the same things you do? it’s not your problem.
thanks, fatima, for your input. i’m going to guess that you’re a fellow revert–feel free to correct me if i’m wrong. but either way, i wish you the very best in the religious journey that you are on, just as i am. because it is a journey, fatima…no matter how much you might like to believe that it is “set” for you, whether you were raised as a muslim from birth or chose to become one later in life. it’s always a journey.
I didn’t say anything about me. I said in the Quran it says, obviously referring to the verse which is in turn referring to Allah. And Islam is set as in the Quran it says I gave given you your religion this day completed. The fact you are saying Islam is NOT clear on what’s halal and haraam is denying what Allah says in the Quran about Islam being completed and such. I think Allah would leave us with clear signs if it was completed don’t you? There are many things clear as day. Muhammed said Muslims only have 2 holidays. The two Eid’s. But somehow Christmas fits into that for you? Hmm
And bravo for mocking your own God. I was just quoting what it says in the Quran. “Hear and obey”. I will continue to try my best to do that inshallah and u can keep trying to be snarky.
I’m not angry. I directed no insults towards you. Excuse me.
I’m just trying to help out the jahiliyya.
oh, fatima. i was not mocking god; i was mocking you for quoting the ayah and then writing a lengthy comment about how i was not following it. i do my best to hear and obey god every day, as we all do. as i said, and as i guess i will now repeat, i have no obligation (or, at this point, inclination) to hear and obey you.
islam is complete; humans are not. i do believe that god gives us clear signs every day; the thing is, you believe those signs only come from certain scholars, and i don’t. so there you go.
thanks for letting me know that you’re not angry. that’s good to know. however, you might want to rethink how you phrase your advice in the future. otherwise, your attempts to “help out the jahiliyya” will likely continue to be ignored, and/or responded to in a “snarky” way (sorry you can’t handle the snark, by the way. what’s that saying about dishing it out…?). let that be my advice to you.
I’m not asking you to obey me Lmao. I have only mentioned Quran thus far. Somehow that’s asking you to obey me? The only one you should obey is Allah. And no, the scholars dont make up the rules they discuss and help us understand them (the rules already given by Allah). If theres no clear rules then why do u wear hijab (at least in your pic) or (hopefully) pray?? Do you need a verse to spell it out for you “No Christmas allowed, btw” before you accept the hadiths and other Quran evidences. If you love your kufr practices this much I feel embarrassed for you.
sigh. i never said that scholars make up the rules; i said that you interpret their opinions as signs. i don’t wear hijab because i think it’s a “rule,” and/or that god will punish me if i don’t, nor do i pray for that reason. i’m not five years old, and thus i think i’m a bit beyond the pre-conventional stage of morality.
finally, i feel sorry that you’re wasting your embarrassment on someone who really isn’t ashamed of coming from the “kuffar” and loves and respects a whole lot of ‘em.
I’m sure you’re tired of responding to comments on this particular post, so I don’t expect you too. I just wanted to mention that even Christians are debating amongst ourselves with regard to Christmas celebrations. For example, many Christians (including recently my own mom) feel that we shouldn’t let our children believe in Santa Claus because it’s lying, some believe we shouldn’t put up trees, and some don’t celebrate at all because the Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born. I guess the bottom line is that religion (any of them) aren’t black and white, and what’s really important is your relationship with God.
I’m a fellow American living in Riyadh and I think your blog is great.
thank you, stefanie! yes, that is one parenting trend that i almost wrote about in my parenting post, actually–this idea that encouraging belief in santa claus is “lying” to children.
i agree wholeheartedly that what’s really important is your relationship with god, and of course, i agree that religion is never black and white. the problem is, many people who embrace religion become so focused on seeing only the black and white that eventually they become unable to see the different shades at all, even though they certainly exist. it’s like becoming colorblind, and going through life insisting that the world looks exactly the same to everyone just because that’s how it looks to you. but i see colors, and i like colors.